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No free market in agriculture, rational Trudeau fights back irrational Trump

已有 394 次阅读2017-5-1 19:43 |个人分类:加拿大| market, Trump



Dairy protected 'for good reason,' Trudeau says; Trump calls Canada's actions a 'disgrace'


'Let's not pretend that we're in a global free market when it comes to agriculture,' PM tells Bloomberg News


By Janyce McGregor, CBC News 

Posted: Apr 20, 2017 1:44 PM ET Last Updated: Apr 20, 2017 11:28 PM ET

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-bloomberg-dairy-trump-1.4077625


Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has met U.S. President Donald Trump's pointed criticism of Canada's dairy industry with calm counterarguments in defence of how Canada prefers to manage its milk.

"Let's not pretend that we're in a global free market when it comes to agriculture," he told Bloomberg News editor in chief John Micklethwait during a question and answer session in Toronto Thursday.

"Every country protects for good reason its agricultural industries. We have a supply management system that works very well here in Canada. The Americans and other countries choose to subsidize to the tunes of hundreds of millions of dollars, if not billions of dollars, their agriculture industries, including their dairy," the prime minister said.

"Different countries have different approaches, and we're going to engage in a thoughtful, fact-based conversation on how to move forward in a way that both protects our consumers and our agricultural producers," he said.

Trudeau's comments were, in the words of his interviewer, his first chance to react to the "constructive dialogue" started by Trump Tuesday, when he used a speech in Wisconsin to attack the unfairness of recent pricing changes for dairy ingredients in Canada that make American imports less competitive.

The "terrible" plight of American dairy farmers has captured the attention of U.S. politicians of all stripes as the U.S. sector grapples with the twin difficulties of overproduction and low global prices for milk.

"How certain governors are speaking to certain constituencies on that, it's politics," Trudeau said. "At the same time, the U.S. has a $400-million dairy surplus with Canada. So it's not Canada that is the challenge here."

Broadens attack to include lumber

Trump's jabs at Canada continued Thursday as the media was invited to watch him sign another memorandum on trade in the Oval Office.

"I wasn't going to do this," he told reporters as he changed topics away from the foreign steel investigation he was meant to be discussing.

"Canada ... what they've done to our dairy farm workers is a disgrace. It's a disgrace," he said. "Rules, regulations, different things have changed, and our farmers in Wisconsin and New York state are being put out of business."

But Trump didn't stop there, also raising "what's happening along our northern border states with Canada, having to do with lumber and timber."

The U.S. president's remarks come ahead of a U.S. Department of Commerce decision expected early next week on levying countervailing duties against Canadian softwood lumber imports.

Last week, a NAFTA review panel ruled mostly against the U.S. in a separate case over duties against Canadian mills producing glossy paper for things like magazines and catalogues.

"NAFTA, whether it's Mexico or Canada, is a disaster for our country. It's a disaster. It's a trading disaster," he said, saying his office would be "reporting back sometime over the next two weeks" on what it's going to do about the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Trump continues to promise his supporters that he will renegotiate a better deal. 

"We can't let Canada or anybody else take advantage and do what they did to our workers and to our farmers," he said.

Canada more open than U.S.: Freeland

In fact, the two issues Trump raised Thursday — Canada's supply management system for dairy production and the longstanding debate over the way Canada manages its softwood lumber supply — were not part of the original NAFTA.

It's unclear whether they will be included in the scope of the renegotiations.

Talks won't begin until after a mandatory 90-day consultation period with the U.S. Congress.

Trump's nominee for the cabinet position of trade representative has not yet been confirmed.

"Every day is a new and interesting day," Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said when asked about the Canada-U.S. relationship at an event in Toronto.

But she said she still feels confident about the relationship they've been developing, noting there have been more than  180 meetings between players in the Trump administration and Canadian officials since the new U.S. government took office in January.

"Our dairy market is in fact more open to imports than the U.S. market is," the minister said. "On dairy ... we are fully compliant with all our NAFTA and WTO commitments.

"It's the job of politicians to respond to the unhappiness of some of their constituents, but on dairy we are very comfortable with our position and I think that trade lawyers will agree with us."


Lawrence Solomon: Trump just might make us put on our big-boy pants and make Canada great again


Lawrence Solomon |  | Last Updated: Apr 22 7:00 AM ET
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/lawrence-solomon-trump-just-might-make-us-put-on-our-big-boy-pants-and-make-canada-great-again

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is interviewed by Bloomberg Editor-in-Chief John Micklethwait in Toronto on Thursday.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is interviewed by Bloomberg Editor-in-Chief John Micklethwait in Toronto on Thursday.

“Let’s not pretend we’re in a global free market when it comes to agriculture,” Prime Minister Justin Trudeau finally told a persistent John Micklethwait, Bloomberg’s editor-in-chief, in an interview Thursday. Trudeau had been bafflegabbing Micklethwait’s inquiry into Canada’s position on NAFTA and free trade, in an attempt to avoid admitting Canadian hypocrisy in preaching free trade while practicing protectionism.

The interview demonstrated Trudeau’s inability to counter the essential truth of President Donald Trump’s assessment that Canada has not been acting honourably. Pointing to Canada’s attempt to manipulate cross-border dairy trade, Trump had threatened on Tuesday to “make some very big changes or we are going to get rid of NAFTA for once and for all,” and Micklethwait noted that every Canadian family pays several hundred dollars more for their milk bill per year to protect Canada’s dairy industry.

Trudeau ultimately conceded Canada’s dairy protectionism, albeit with much-deserved awkwardness, since Canada’s dairy quota system has been Canada’s shame since it was introduced in 1970. The quota system makes milk prohibitively expensive for poor families, it denies Canadian consumers the right to purchase diverse cheeses from around the world and it destroyed Canada’s once-great cheese industry, whose many small producers capitalized on milk surpluses to make world-famous cheddars — Ontario alone once supplied England with half of its cheddar cheese imports.

Over the decades, the dairy lobby’s hold in Canada’s corridors of power was unshakable, surviving intense pressure in numerous trade negotiations under numerous governments. But its hold is shaking today. Under pressure from Trump, Canada may finally do the right thing for the Canadian consumer and the Canadian economy by removing this albatross, and forcing Canada’s politicians to put on their big-boy pants. Many are now noting the irony that Trump’s desire to make America great gives long-suffering Canadians hope for an end to the dairy quotas.

Trump’s blunt talk and uncompromising stances are also highlighting other failures of Canadian policy. Trump expects Trudeau to put on his big-boy pants with respect to NATO, too, where Canada has never honoured its commitment to contribute our share of military spending — two per cent of our GDP — to the defence of the free world. Instead, while Canada pays lip service to the need to stand strong in Ukraine and the Middle East, we contribute just half as much as pledged, leaving our own military in disrepair and expecting the United States to pick up the difference and to be our protector.

Under pressure from Trump, Canada may finally do the right thing for the Canadian consumer and the Canadian economy

Canada has a sense of entitlement that Trump, in his undiplomatic way, is exposing. His plan to renegotiate NAFTA — and to walk away from it if the renegotiation didn’t serve America’s interests — was widely met in Canada with indignation and outrage, as if we had an entitlement to the U.S. market. True to form, we also responded with praise for the glories of free trade and contempt for America’s backward turn to protectionism. Yet Canada remains one of the West’s great bastions of protectionism, barring foreign ownership of banking and other major sectors and unable to achieve even internal free trade among our provinces, despite 150 years of trying. The provinces themselves don’t accept the provisions of NAFTA, cannot be bound by them and haven’t honoured them.

Until Trump began a rescue of our energy sector by approving the Keystone XL pipeline, the federal and provincial governments were so inward looking, and so beholden to provincial politics, that they couldn’t even muster the courage to proceed with much-needed pipelines to either the Atlantic or Pacific that would allow Alberta oil to flow to European and Asian markets.

Canada wasn’t always a snowflake country. In the previous century, we were far more self-reliant — economically successful, despite the American protectionism that we then faced, and confidently entering both world wars long before the Americans. We wore big-boy pants then. So did our farmers. Trump may force us to wear them again.

LawrenceSolomon@nextcity.com


Some of 3100 Comments followed Dairy protected 'for good reason,' Trudeau says

steve coy
  • steve coy

we have been getting screwed forever by our government and the dairy producers.(Milk Mafia) paying 5 bucks for a jug of milk and 7 bucks for a small block o days ago

George Miloslawski
  • George Miloslawski

Trump may not be an authority on free trade. But when it comes to the Canadian dairy industry, he happens to be right. Meanwhile, Canadian consumers pay the price. The Montreal Economic Institute estimates that the country’s supply management system costs each of us $258 a year. We have official, explicit collusion and price-fixing going on.

  • 10 days ago
Mike Sampson
  • Mike Sampson

"Supply management" is what the communists did with their economies and we know how well that worked out. Artificially keeping prices high to help a few thousand diary farmers in Quebec while at the same time forcing 36 million Canadians to pay 2 to 3 times more for their dairy and poultry products is insane but let's yell at President Trump. Maybe that will make the tolerant liberals feel better?

  • 10 days ago
Greg Gore
  • Greg Gore

What do our Dairy Farmers think?

  • 10 days ago
Ben McKenna
  • Ben McKenna

On a daily basis POTUS or press secretary Spicer along with other team members attack the previous administration. It is obvious this is being done to distract the public from their own lack of accomplishments. 
Now blaming other countries to disguise things. 
Hopefully our neighbours to the south are not blind to this and recognize Trump and all for what they really are.

  • 10 days ago
Ross James
  • Ross James

The entire republican party and all conservatives across America, and Canada for that matter, are a disgrace and an insult.

  • 10 days ago
Allanlee Calder
  • Allanlee Calder

I am happy with our Canadian milk not having Bovine Growth Hormone.

  • 10 days ago
Carm Germano
  • Carm Germano

Politics as usual. Trump always leads with the BS. He is a one-trick pony. 
You have to be careful not to test Trump, especially on history, geography, economics, and health-care. 

He said, "Who knew health care was so complicated?". Apparently, just about everyone except him.

  • 10 days ago
Kevin Delaney
  • Kevin Delaney

Trump uses the world disgrace when speaking of Canadians. 
American moderation staff working this site refused to allow a comment calling him a greater disgrace. Why?? Simple comment made 3 times using nothing more that what Trump said. Yet this man who bragged about groping women is somehow not a disgrace. 

One has to love how US moderation on this site works. A disgraced President via his own false words & actions... speaking falsehoods re American dairy products & why they cannot get into... » more

  • 10 days ago
Kat Burd
  • Kat Burd

@Kevin Delaney - Yes and again yes. I got censored four times the other day for quoting Submission Guidelines rules. Fact... 

I think Canada really is past due to take back CBC.

  • 10 days ago
Al Coughman
  • Al Coughman

Dairy protected 'for good reason,' Trudeau says; Trump calls Canada's actions a 'disgrace' 
Mr Turnip Trump should go back to bombing ISIS and start harassing Putin the Communist 

Is this not a valid statement CBC,

  • 10 days ago
Jerry O'Connor
  • Jerry O'Connor

Great way though to take the heat and attention away from that Russian election campaign ongoing investigations..........isn't it.

  • 10 days ago
Douglas  Wilson
  • Douglas Wilson

I don't agree with Trumps stance on this issue but it sure would be nice if Canada had a politician who worked so hard and aggressively for it's working class the back bone of any country as hard as Trump does for our neighbours to the south.

  • 10 days ago
Jerry O'Connor
  • Jerry O'Connor

@Douglas Wilson 

But words all sound great especially when.....actions DON'T FOLLOW those words. 

Trump has stated a lot with the wind that comes out of his mouth but thus far........there is actually very LITTLE HE HAS DONE.

  • 10 days ago
Jerry O'Connor
  • Jerry O'Connor

Seeing as how this Trump and Trudeau have so much in common when it comes to deceitful politics, I think this story has as much to do with Trudeau as it does with Trump.

  • 10 days ago
Jerry O'Connor
  • Jerry O'Connor

I want to know this from Trudeau.. 

What took him so long to figure out that Trump is neither his friend nor any friend of Canada. 

I mean.......the rest of us figured THAT OUT.......a long long time ago.

  • 10 days ago
Mike Trout
  • Mike Trout

@Jerry O'Connor 
 Hey, go easy on our obtuse Canadian PM Justin will you. He is good for attending every Pride Parade across Canada if nothing else.

  • 10 days ago
al mark
  • al mark

In the case of the US, agriculture gets 20+ billion dollars a year in subsidies. This distorts the supply/demand curve and the price, creating their surpluses. This subsidy must be paid by everyone, making people who don't use the product pay for it, making poor people even poorer. 
 Just because of there is a quota doesn't mean a farmer is protected from uneconomic behaviour. They too compete in the market, selling to different companies and consumers. Canada's quota system better represents... » more

  • 10 days ago
al mark
  • al mark

@Bob Ols - Supply side management creates a situation that matches the supply/demand curve better and under regulation, limits profitability while allowing high enough price signals to keep production up so supplies aren't negatively effected. If not, oversupply cause price crashes that destroys entire farms, which is the US's present problem.

  • 10 days ago
Lynn Chu
  • Lynn Chu

@Bob Ols If it means Canadian prices are 40 or more percent higher why is American 2 y.o. cheddar advertised for 2.94/100g in Washington State (prices translated to 'Canadian' by me), while 2 y.o. Canadian cheddar is available at Superstore for 2.49/100g? Internet quotes Seattle milk at between .99 and 1.24 per litre which doesn't compare too badly with the 4.49 I paid for my last 4 litres. 

Prices do vary across the country, and stores (Costco) in Washington (?used to) price their milk at a... » more

  • 10 days ago
al mark
  • al mark

Trump complains about "unfair" trade with the US, about the loss of goods and services in the US. And his lemmings eat it up. But these are goods and services, which the present law allows in the US. But in this situation, the trade imbalance is in the US's favour by over 400 million. And it's to Canada that has most felt the attack of the loss of jobs and services. 

And still the Canadian supporters of Trump support him. Talk about hypocritical. Both Trump and his supporters.

  • 10 days ago
al mark
  • al mark

@Mark timm - It has everything to do with this story. Trump's POV wrt the dairy trade is totally hypocritical. Somehow the US's 20+ billion in agri subsidies isn't creating a fake price point. Isn't the dumping by a backdoor by US dairy unfair trade? Isn't the unremitting support for him by certain Canadians hypocritical? 

BTW, you haven't shown any mismanagement of the Canadian system. Meanwhile you can easily show it in the US system, since the US fed gov't had to buy cheese last year to... » more

  • 10 days ago
louise lalancette
  • louise lalancette

@al mark ... complains(?) - I'd have used 'WHINES'...

  • 10 days ago
Sparky Mahoney
  • Sparky Mahoney

Trump is right. Canada is stuck in the 19th century when it comes to trade and competition. The country is almost literally run - at the top - by virtual monopolies and duopolies. There is no competition. Canada is known around the world as the county who's citizens pay the most for things and get the least for it. Dairy in Canada is a prime example. Diary products around the world are far, far cheaper than they are in Canada. Why? Because the Dairy Council sets prices based on what Canadians... » more

  • 10 days ago
al mark
  • al mark

@Mark timm - The US has 20+ billion in agrisubsidies which totally distorts the price. US cheese inventories are are busting out 30 year highs and last year required the federal gov't to buy to maintain prices. Only 13 of the states can you buy unpasteurized cream. 

I'd say you may believe your args but as can be seen, you only give less than half the story.

  • 10 days ago
Lynn Chu
  • Lynn Chu

@Sparky Mahoney Check the facts! Check the prices actually paid. Check the $20 Billion in direct subsidies- the tax dollars- paid to American farmers.

  • 10 days ago
Craig Jones
  • Craig Jones

So what is the good reason? 
The dairy mafia should eliminated the same as the wheat board.

  • 10 days ago
Ross James
  • Ross James

The only people who think Trump has any clue on any thing whatsoever are those busy sucking up to him for personal gain. 
The definition of a republican.

  • 10 days ago
Fletch Peterson
  • Fletch Peterson

"Protected for good reason"?? 

Yes, the sky high price for Milk in Canada keeps the GST higher... 

Liberals have never seen a Tax they didnt like..

  • 10 days ago
Lynn Chu
  • Lynn Chu

@Fletch Peterson Food isn't taxed. Now your $5 coffee might e..

  • 10 days ago
al mark
  • al mark

@Fletch Peterson - Instead of ripping, why don't you use some intelligence. High market prices would create a series of market aspects that would be observable, ie quantifiable facts like a growth of dairy farms, oversupply, etc. in the news which not only you didn't do or use but actively ignored. Know what that makes you and your post?

  • 10 days ago
Louis Levesque
  • Louis Levesque

Love that CBC gives Trump so much coverage, playing right into his hands like the US media did during the election. Love him or hate him, Donald knows how to work the media like a master.

  • 10 days ago
Laura Leigh
  • Laura Leigh

@Louis Levesque Except that the media coverage is revealing him more and more to be a blustering flip-flopper on pretty well every issue he has ever blustered about!

  • 10 days ago
Jerry O'Connor
  • Jerry O'Connor

As if this O'Reilly character gives a hoot or tinker's rear end of a care about the whole matter. 

O'Reilly is now off to enjoy HIS MONEY MILLIONS. 

OOPS. 

Right pew.......wrong church. 

My apologies folks.

  • 10 days ago
Ross James
  • Ross James

What is a disgrace is the American conservatives. The entire GOP and their voting base. All of them.

  • 10 days ago
Gerard Groenewegen
  • Gerard Groenewegen

I'd like PMT to tell me why we have supply management for dairy, eggs and poultry and not for grain, vegetables, beef, pork and lamb. If supply management is such a great thing shouldn't it be extended? I am sick and tired for over paying for dairy, eggs and chicken. Bring on the competition, if only within Canada and get rid of supply management! As for farmers who are millionaires because of quotas? Other than fair warning of 2 years' notice the public purse shouldn't be used to provide... » more

  • 10 days ago
Lynn Chu
  • Lynn Chu

@Gerard Groenewegen I think extending it to all sectors wouldn't be a terrible thing.

  • 10 days ago
Jerry O'Connor
  • Jerry O'Connor

As if this O'Reilly character gives a hoot or tinker's rear end of a care about the whole matter. 

O'Reilly is now off to enjoy HIS MONEY MILLIONS.

  • 10 days ago
Gary Cathro
  • Gary Cathro

Anyways, the "Market" is not God - though the concept is still in vogue among conservatives.

  • 10 days ago
Hank Hanrattay
  • Hank Hanrattay

Second worst PM in Canadian history, the first raised him!

  • 10 days ago
Anne Peterson
  • Anne Peterson

When Canadian diary farmers saw US defiltered milk solids coming across the border to Canadian cheese producers tariff free they decided to set up their own defiltering system and supply Canadian cheese makers themselves. Seems to me that's the old free market system in operation. Funny how the US is all for free market competition when it benefits them but very much against it when it benefits someone else. The US destroyed Mexico's corn production by dumping their subsidized corn into... » more

  • 10 days ago
ERIK HANSEN
  • ERIK HANSEN

I don't understand why this needs to be difficult. If Trump wants to bastardize the system to their advantage, the choice is simple, let him cancel NAFTA. These agreements were negotiated by the corporate world, for the corporate world, without any real consideration for the well being of society as a whole. Meanwhile we sit back and watch them continually transferring our wealth into their pockets with the help of corrupt government lap dogs! 

The bottom half of North American society is... » more

  • 10 days ago
Sparky Mahoney
  • Sparky Mahoney

@ERIK HANSEN That's well said, Erik, but to paraphrase Mencken, 'No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the general public'. If most people were smart enough to realize this, than things like NAFTA, the TPP, trickle-down economics, etc. would never occur in the first place. Fact is most people are lazy and stupid and easily led. It's only when things get really bad to they finally take notice and that's happening now. 

The elites understand this and my prediction is they... » more

  • 10 days ago
laurie Hansen
  • laurie Hansen

What! another anti Trump story?

  • 10 days ago
Jerry O'Connor
  • Jerry O'Connor

@laurie Hansen 

I think this story is as much about an anti Trudeau story as it is an anti Trump story is what I am thinking.

  • 10 days ago
Rob Douglas
  • Rob Douglas

Trump referring to anyone or anything as a disaster [sic] is the living embodiment of self projection.

  • 10 days ago
Joe Santos
  • Joe Santos

Stop giving Trump attention he does not deserve with his non-sensical diatribes that he knows absolutely nothing about.

  • 10 days ago
laurie Hansen
  • laurie Hansen

Protected for what reason justin?

  • 10 days ago
Anna Hester
  • Anna Hester

@laurie Hansen 

Read the article.

  • 10 days ago
Jerry O'Connor
  • Jerry O'Connor

I would not give a plug nickel for either Trump or Trudeau if came down to it.

  • 10 days ago
Jerry O'Connor
  • Jerry O'Connor

My opinion of both Trump and Trudeau is that......I dislike BOTH OF THEM. 

It seems to me that both have one indisputable thing in common and that is their ability to deceive and lie to their citizens of their election promises.

  • 10 days ago
Rob Douglas
  • Rob Douglas

Donald needs to expand his "reading" beyond USA To-Day and, while he's at it, maybe try to locate his lost "armada."

  • 10 days ago
Jerry O'Connor
  • Jerry O'Connor

Is Trudeau still of the mindset to.....'wait and see"......?

  • 10 days ago
Jerry O'Connor
  • Jerry O'Connor

Looks like the CBC is going to push this story for all it's worth for....TRUDEAU's SAKE.

  • 10 days ago
Nahla Youssaf
  • Nahla Youssaf

Not to many so called Dairy Farmers wearing Suits with Pet Cows marching on Parliament these Days....Cant be that important.....

  • 10 days ago
Hank Hanrattay
  • Hank Hanrattay

Second worst PM in Canadian history, the first raised him!

  • 10 days ago
Hank Hanrattay
  • Hank Hanrattay

A Trudeau, for the second time in history, has proven to be a complete and utter failure as PM. We still suffer today from the disaster of the first Trudeau government. When will you Canadian voters learn?

  • 10 days ago
Jerry O'Connor
  • Jerry O'Connor

Well if Trudeau thought things would stay just honky dory and peachy creamy with Trump, he now HAS HIS ANSWER.

  • 10 days ago
Andrew Johnston
  • Andrew Johnston

This is why Trump is right and Canada is wrong. In the U.S. all dairy and poultry products are sold on an open and free market , which is why there're so cheap. In Canada the government controls the market with quotas, which is why everything is so expensive. In the U.S. dairy and poultry farmers make a decent living, in Canada dairy farmers are wealthy millionaires. The nasty thing about the Canadian system is it harms the poorest people only. I can afford expensive food, the poor can't. Old... » more

  • 10 days ago
Andrew Johnston
  • Andrew Johnston

@al mark 
 Time to put this myth of huge U.S. Subsidies to bed. In the case of Wisconsin dairy there are 1,280,000 milking cows in 2016. Their subsidies over the last 20 years has been about a billion dollars. $40 a cow / year . The tiny subsidies are just enough to help farmers stave off bankruptcy and have next to zero impact on the market.

  • 10 days ago
Trish pharaon
  • Trish pharaon

@Anne Peterson that's why you should buy "Canadian made products"when our $ is higher people flock to the USA to buy cheaper products.Milk cheese gas. But in the end it hurts our business. I for one buy Canadian first, if I can find it in the stores.Even if I pay a few cents more.

  • 10 days ago
Wilhelm LaRouge
  • Wilhelm LaRouge

those vineyards in syria are going to be pretty lush...

  • 10 days ago
Wilhelm LaRouge
  • Wilhelm LaRouge

next, trump will be here selling his patented ISIS brand products, ranging from bone meal and fertilizer to 'soap on a rope'

  • 10 days ago
Robert Hilbourne
  • Robert Hilbourne

If western Canada produced the same quota of dairy products as Quebec Trudeau would not even attend the NAFTA meetings. This story is a Quebec story and meant to appease the liberal voter

  • 10 days ago
al mark
  • al mark

@Robert Hilbourne - How are those pipelines that Trudeau pushed through?

  • 10 days ago
Dave Hampton
  • Dave Hampton

Funnily enough the didn't present any of Trudeau's "fact-based" reasoning on how supply management benefits Canadian consumers. 

Some just take the word "fact-based" at face value when Trudeau says it, with no actual facts being necessary.

  • 10 days ago
Glory Leung
  • Glory Leung

@Dave Hampton i don't think it's for us to see anyways..

  • 10 days ago
Keith Burton
  • Keith Burton

@Dave Hampton 
 That's what happens when MSM ,lefties, like you.

  • 10 days ago
Gerry Madigan
  • Gerry Madigan

It astounds me beyond belief that the US with a population of 332M, almost 10 times the size of Canada’s (35m), is having any difficulty whatsoever with marketing or accommodating its dairy products given the size of its domestic market! 
 Given that the US current enjoys a $445M trade surplus with Canada in this area alone, I fail to see how Canada has contributed in anyway to the loss of jobs in the dairy industry in the United States. 
 President Trump has stated that Canada has acted... » more

  • 10 days ago
louise lalancette
  • louise lalancette

@Gerry Madigan Yup! He can do all the yelling, foot stamping, fist wavng he wants - WE do want serves US - CANADIANS - Best!!

  • 10 days ago
Zando Lee
  • Zando Lee

Trump often makes pronouncements based on a profound ignorance of the matter in question.

  • 10 days ago
Ross James
  • Ross James

@Zando Lee 
 Not often. Always.

  • 10 days ago
Anna Hester
  • Anna Hester

@Zando Lee 

Often? You give him too much benefit of the doubt. Trump wears his profound ignorance like a badge of honour.

  • 10 days ago
Mark Wright
  • Mark Wright

I don't follow Mike Trout's line of thinking here. The US dairy producers have been doing to Canada the same thing that the Chinese steel producers have been doing to the US. The difference is that the US dairy business became over-dependant on the Canadian market and the decision by Canadian producers to lower prices caught them flat-footed. The global overproduction leaves the US with nowhere to sell their surplus now - hence the squeals. From the Canadian perspective, this has to be a good... » more

  • 10 days ago
Kyle Billing
  • Kyle Billing

"Trump calls Canada's actions a 'disgrace'" 

This from the world's most prominent terrorist. 

An act intended to cause fear, panic or unrest among the general public. 
 That is how Canada's legal system defines terrorism. 

Read any of his tweets. 

World's most prominent.

  • 10 days ago
Jerry O'Connor
  • Jerry O'Connor

@Kyle Billing 

Now look who is OVER THE TOP. 

Bad enough we got Trump to deal with without having others here, acting just like him.

  • 10 days ago
Ben McKenna
  • Ben McKenna

Why don't we just ask Trump what products from Canada he wants, what he wants to export to Canada, and what the prices should be. 
Or let's not send them anything, or import anything, and ban all travel to US destinations. Ask Florida if they want Canadians to stay away. 
For a so called businessman he has no business sense. 
Not sure I would want to stay in any of his buildings....I think they might all be a few bricks short.

  • 10 days ago
Anne Peterson
  • Anne Peterson

@Ben McKenna Snowbirds keep some of those states running in the winter time. The man seems incapable of seeing the bigger picture.

  • 10 days ago
Mike Trout
  • Mike Trout

Why is it when Justin sits down to discuss a subject such as a looming trade negotiation he does not sound very bright ?? 

ABL 2019

  • 10 days ago
Glory Leung
  • Glory Leung

@Mike Trout because he isn't the one specifically doing the negotiations?

  • 10 days ago
al mark
  • al mark

@Mike Trout - Because of your bias? Since your question is entirely based on YOUR perception and interpretation of the subject.

  • 10 days ago
Tommy Bahama
  • Tommy Bahama

The USA has a president that is mentally unstable, and may have the first signs of dementia. If past behaviour is a predictor of future behaviour then the USA is locked in a downward swirl, and Canada may best be served by stepping back for the next four years, and focus on other markets, innovation, and science.

  • 10 days ago
louise lalancette
  • louise lalancette

@Tommy Bahama 
 Keep the milk and cheese for ourselves, send electricigty from generated by Hydro Quebec to Ontario, and our soft lumber to Sweden to make IKEA furniture.

  • 10 days ago
carl boben
  • carl boben

Am I the only one who thinks Canada will be sued over this under nafta by years end....

  • 10 days ago
Aaron Watson
  • Aaron Watson

One thing to consider, the US also wants to fight for limited labelling conditions. Right now you can identify Canadian made products by a blue cow on them. Don't count on that continuing if Trump gets his way. You'll be drinking hormone and antibiotic tainted milk and not even know it except for the price. Dirt's cheap too but I wouldn't eat it...

  • 10 days ago
Rob Unrau
  • Rob Unrau

Let's not pretend that Justin knows what middle class is. Let's not pretend that Justin even gives a rip about Canadians. CBC's propaganda machine working hard to shore up Justin.

  • 10 days ago
David S. Foley
  • David S. Foley

@Rob Unrau Justin should be due for another aga khan vacation with Nannies at taxpayer expense soon.

  • 10 days ago
Glory Leung
  • Glory Leung

@David S. Foley too bad that complaint is older than Canada now

  • 10 days ago
Dennis St.Amand
  • Dennis St.Amand

Trump is not only a right disgrace but a right dizazter! The only thing 'fact'-based about Trump are his blatant alternative facts, how he always finds a scapegoat, blames someone else, finds someone those not responsible for the problem to attack. Facts are not part of his/his admin's vocabulary, never have been never will be. Has the time finally come when this country stops bending over to the imperialist empire?

  • 10 days ago
Paul Hansen
  • Paul Hansen

Could it be that Mr Trudeau is actually growing into the job? I think he might be...and it's good to see. 

Trump is a master at misusing facts and tossing unfounded accusations and unmeetable promises. Our best policy is to remain calm and reply to every accusation with facts and hard data. 

As for softwood lumber...every time the agreement is re-opened the same old arguments come from the US Governors and when they go to court they always lose. It's politics folks - plain and simple ignorant... » more

  • 10 days ago
Justin Smith
  • Justin Smith

Not a big Trudeau or Liberal fan, but I agree with him on this issue.

  • 10 days ago
Jerry O'Connor
  • Jerry O'Connor

@Justin Smith 

That is precisely the kind of reaction this CBC media was hoping for.

  • 10 days ago
Erika Kreis
  • Erika Kreis

I am SO sick of the bolts of lightning coming out of Trump's mouth. He's a "disgrace" if ever there was one. He has one way of dealing with the world (friend or foe) and that's as a bully.

  • 10 days ago
Dennis St.Amand
  • Dennis St.Amand

@Jimmy Jack try to stay on topic skippy/deflection = weakness

  • 10 days ago
Jimmy Jack
  • Jimmy Jack

@Dennis St.Amand ...Hey Dennis. When the CBC starts holding the Liberals to account (they are the government of Canada), others won't have to ...as much. 
 The Huff IS left wing...admittedly so. 
 That is the point. Even they are reporting it. 
 The article paints Trudeau badly, so the CBC ignores the entire story. Yet, when it comes to other parties...the most insignificant happening that can be spun to a negative, will be!

  • 10 days ago
Dennis St.Amand
  • Dennis St.Amand

@Jimmy Jack reporting on both sides of the fence = they're neutral/unbiased, that's why they're reporting it. Every single day this here con https://www.friends.ca/blog-post/11728 broadcasting corp opens Trudeau/lib govt stories for your scrutiny, even allowing/your submission guideline failing/non story related posts, there's many examples of this on this site just today, sheesh already!!!

  • 10 days ago
Mike Trout
  • Mike Trout

Canada and Canadian Citizens has been failed by its card board cut out comic book action figure of a PM and the inept Liberal Oligarchy. 

ABL 2019

  • 10 days ago
Mike Trout
  • Mike Trout

@Paul Hansen 
 Oh it is deserved............and true.

  • 10 days ago
Jerry O'Connor
  • Jerry O'Connor

@Aaron Watson 

Here is something related to the article. 

What took Trudeau so long to figure out Trump is....NOT HIS or CANADA'S FRIEND. 

Canadians here figured that out.....A LONG TIME AGO.

  • 10 days ago
carl tyrell {dit antaya)
  • carl tyrell {dit antaya)

If food production will be the future of employment which seems to be the direction we are going, then employing cheap labour is a stick in the spokes Why over produce, why pollute the oceans, why pollute the air why not produce what is actually needed. 

Yes there are areas of trade that makes sense but eggs,milk, dairy, fruits and vegetables. Look at what over production has caused in China ,pois ioning the very basis of life ... Air come on stop it our children need us to act on their... » more

  • 10 days ago
Nihils Bohr
  • Nihils Bohr

Next American industry to face a harsh reality should be the corn. Corn meal filling our food, corn syrup in everything. Another subsidy bubble just waiting to burst.

  • 10 days ago
Paul Whittaker
  • Paul Whittaker

@Nihils Bohr GMO dipped in neonic and sprayed with roundup yummy.

  • 10 days ago
Elaine Atkinson
  • Elaine Atkinson

@Nihils Bohr 

Possibly the greatest contribution to diabetes in North America.

  • 10 days ago
Gary Sutherland
  • Gary Sutherland

Trump calls Canada a disgrace, he should look in his own backyard first!

  • 10 days ago
Erika Kreis
  • Erika Kreis

@Gary Sutherland ...or in the mirror!

  • 10 days ago
John Murphy
  • John Murphy

Look at the dairy Grassland in Wisconsin that provoked Trump's outrage by, on short notice, cancelling the supply contract of some 75-100 dairy farmers because of cancelled contracts in Canada. Grassland just bought another dairy in WI that comes complete with some 5,000 cows. This is the future of US dairy. Massive factory farms where the herd never sees the out of doors. The small farm, the family farm, is going to disappear in the US, not because of Canada, but because of automation and... » more

  • 10 days ago
Dav Fenn
  • Dav Fenn

@John Murphy , 

The US has one farm south of Chicago, Fair Oaks ,that milks 30,000 cows . That's 5 barns, 6000 cows to a barn on 19,000 acres of crop land. It is owned by 9 Dutch families, employs 400 workers, and produces 250,000 gallons of milk a day. That's enough to supply the city of Chicago , 2.7 million people . Once the cow enters the barn she never sees the outside again.

  • 10 days ago
John Murphy
  • John Murphy

There is this incredible myth that Canadians pay more for dairy products than our American cousins. It even is spouted by CBC journalists. I encourage the CBC to do do some real hard research. I travel to Florida and shop at Costco there, as well as shop in Costco in Toronto. The prices on dairy across the board are higher in Florida than Toronto. Beyond the face cost are the subsidies on US dairy. The real cost of a 3.7 liters of milk in the US is about $7 when you strip out the benefits... » more

  • 10 days ago
Hammacker Schlemmer
  • Hammacker Schlemmer

While I don't like Trudeau it's a little rich for Trump to be complaining about protectionism when he just signed the 'BUY AMERICAN ACT'

  • 10 days ago
 Chris Maurier
  • Chris Maurier

Has any of Donnies handlers come out yet ,to tell us what he Really meant?

  • 10 days ago
Tom Trainor
  • Tom Trainor

So having an incompetent leader who is only interested in getting high is a benefit to Canada how?

  • 10 days ago
Billy Bob
  • Billy Bob

@Tom Trainor 
 Are you suggesting they will create pot-laced milk for a competitive edge? Mmm, I like it.

  • 10 days ago
Glory Leung
  • Glory Leung

@Grant Ranalli He can't grind something thats dull..

  • 10 days ago
Vaddapalli Sreeram
  • Vaddapalli Sreeram

Big oral bomb from Trump.Our young Priminister is acting more mature using fact based reply.

  • 10 days ago
Dave Hampton
  • Dave Hampton

@Vaddapalli Sreeram What facts did Trudeau present in the article to back up his case? All the said was "Supply management is good" without any reasoning provided.

  • 10 days ago
Alastair MacDonald
  • Alastair MacDonald

A "fact" based discussion on free trade. Trump and Trudeau are well known for their fact free politics.

  • 10 days ago
greg howard
  • greg howard

", the U.S. has a $400-million dairy surplus with Canada. So it's not Canada that is the challenge here."

  • 10 days ago
Grant Ranalli
  • Grant Ranalli

@greg howard - Well YOU get it, but unfortunately Mr. President can't grasp the obvious.

  • 10 days ago
Zoli Hartai
  • Zoli Hartai

Use and intelligent, fact based argument? Good luck with that!

  • 10 days ago
Grant Ranalli
  • Grant Ranalli

@Zoli Hartai - Proof read, proof read, proof read! (Use AND intelligent)??

  • 10 days ago
Douglas McLeod
  • Douglas McLeod

'good for the US' means not good for anyone else...that is not how you run trade agreements with long time, large volume, partners...you negotiate, and t here is give and take. Trump , however, prefers take and take...which btw does suit US mindset anyway...

  • 10 days ago
Wendy Love
  • Wendy Love

Trump below 40% in the polls Trudeau over 50% 
 I feel we are doing just fine and so do others.

  • 10 days ago
Tim Sarant
  • Tim Sarant

The only people who are in favour of "supply management" are those that don't (or are unable to) understand it. 

Milk in Quebec: $8 / 3 litre bag. Ontario, $3.49.

  • 10 days ago
Ed Doucet
  • Ed Doucet

@Tim Sarant Actually, your numbers are pure fiction.

  • 10 days ago
Aaron Watson
  • Aaron Watson

@Wayne House "'How did you arrive at $8?" - wishful thinking?

  • 10 days ago
Wendy Love
  • Wendy Love

nice to see the CONS use this to attack the PM 
 I guess CONS don't care about jobs in Canada only having their political party in power.

  • 10 days ago
Grant Ranalli
  • Grant Ranalli

@John Murphy - Then you are frer to tune into Fox News (lol) 'Fox News' -AN oxymoron if there ever was one. Let's see ... who is the latest Fox executive to get fired for abusing women? Great news indeed.

  • 10 days ago
Grant Ranalli
  • Grant Ranalli

@Grant Ranalli - Typo - should be 'free' to tune into ...

  • 10 days ago
Lyle Edwards
  • Lyle Edwards

"Trump calls Canada's actions a 'disgrace'" 

Trump is clueless. I'm an American dairy farmer. What is a disgrace is the failed and corrupt milk pricing system us farmers are under. They can allow all the MPC's they want and our milk price would not come up one red cent.

  • 10 days ago
Wayne House
  • Wayne House

@Lyle Edwards : 

Canada's system isn't perfect (marketing quotas should NEVER have been capitalized). However, the aim is to match supply and demand so that there are neither price jumps at retail nor price collapses. It allows milk producers to forward-plan their operations in the knowledge that they will receive a certain price for in-quota shipments. The plan works well.

  • 10 days ago
John Murphy
  • John Murphy

@Lyle Edwards The US is in a huge mess. Massive oversupply. There are too many dairy farmers and cows and the market is flooded. The dairy industry, at least the small family farm, is in the midst of collapse. Th dairies and politicians are going to blame anyone but themselves for the mess Canada needs to steer its own course.

  • 10 days ago
mo bennett
  • mo bennett

the only thing that's a disgrace here is donnie!

  • 10 days ago
Fenian Conn
  • Fenian Conn

Trump reminds me of the friend or relative we all have who went to too many free-enterpriser house parties and ended up with a life-time supply of soap suds in their garage. Too much supply is a disgraceful failure of the market.

  • 10 days ago
Nihils Bohr
  • Nihils Bohr

@Fenian Conn 
 I wish I could give this one more likes. Nailed it! Know that his inferior product is piling up, he expects the world to cowtow and support his country's subsidy failure.

  • 10 days ago
Charles Martel
  • Charles Martel

Unfortunately, Canada's protectionism practices reach far beyond that of the dairy industry.

  • 10 days ago
Wendy Love
  • Wendy Love

@Charles Martel and the millions to protect USA dairy is OK?

  • 10 days ago
David S. Foley
  • David S. Foley

The greatest travesty in North America in the last few years was the ousting of Harper, the greatest PM ever. It signalled the beginning of a rapid decline in Canadian values, promotion of marijuana and even other drugs are fair game, mass deficits etc. 

The greatest thing in North America- the election of Donald Trump. Good in so many levels, it's tough to even begin.

  • 10 days ago
Ed Doucet
  • Ed Doucet

@Wayne House Pense? He believes that Noah's Ark actually existed. 'Nuff said.

  • 10 days ago
David S. Foley
  • David S. Foley

@Wayne House you cannot think of the left wing and the word "thoughtful" in the same breathe. It's illogical.

  • 10 days ago
Erman Vis
  • Erman Vis

Trump's actions are a disgrace.

  • 10 days ago
David S. Foley
  • David S. Foley

Somewhere, the greatest Canadian PM ever is laughing. Of course Harper and Trump would have gotten along just fine, and both countries would be a lot friendlier, and there'd be none of this Rhetoric. But a liberal PM and Trump? Forget it.

  • 10 days ago
David S. Foley
  • David S. Foley

@Wayne House he gets along just fine with the ppl who matter- the electorate. The rest, the American left promote everything wrong with America, and the western world, and foreigners don't like him because he wants the fleecing of America to stop. 

As for experience, I prefer signing rookies from the draft lottery then signing a 5 year pro looking for a new guaranteed contract. Experience gets u corruption like Hillary, or radical feminists looking for votes like Trudeau. No thanks. 

See the... » more

  • 10 days ago
Glory Leung
  • Glory Leung

@David S. Foley Is that you Stephen Harper?

  • 10 days ago
Ron MacCarthy
  • Ron MacCarthy

Calm, common sense, a good reply to excited Donald.

  • 10 days ago
Wayne House
  • Wayne House

@Ron MacCarthy : 

How does anyone know he's listening? Do his ears start twitching?

  • 10 days ago
Carol Becker
  • Carol Becker

I am not fan of Trudeau or Trump. One thing Trudeau did say is each country has its own way of regulating things. What works in Canada does not work in The US, Mexico or Europe. The only things I worry about is Canada and the people of Canada. That we have jobs, places to live, food on our table and money if needed. As for other countries I could care less. Canada and Canadians first.

  • 10 days ago
Fenian Conn
  • Fenian Conn

@Carol Becker 
 There is no reason what works in Canada wouldn't work in the US, Mexico, Europe, or anywhere else. Subsidized sectors frequently suffer from too much supply chasing too little market.

  • 10 days ago
Wayne House
  • Wayne House

@Carol Becker : 

Canada needs to export goods and services, though. Otherwise we'd be looking at a lower standard of living, no? I think Trump wants to make America more insular...more jobs for Americans and more made-in-America products even if such products are more expensive to buy. I doubt that Trump's ideas will gain much traction, going forward.

  • 10 days ago
 Lyle H.Rossiter
  • Lyle H.Rossiter

I cannot become liberal...Because i refuse to pledge allegiance to Islam

  • 10 days ago
Aaron Watson
  • Aaron Watson

@Hayden Bell So will Islam!

  • 10 days ago
Glory Leung
  • Glory Leung

@. Lyle Rossiter best you not become Liberal.. though I heard there are openings for the Tin Foil Hat allegiance and you would be perfectly suited for.

  • 10 days ago
James Louder
  • James Louder

Trudeau is absolutely right to keep his cool, while Trump runs his mouth. With any kind of luck this will be another one of those times when Trump splutters away because it sounds good to a certain constituency--and then forgets all about it as soon as he's back on the golf course. In the mush-melon of his brain Trump has already conflated the dairy issue with the bugbear of NAFTA, when the two have nothing to do with each other. 

American dairy farmers' plight comes from a huge oversupply in... » more

  • 10 days ago
Wayne House
  • Wayne House

@James Louder : 

Americans could usefully turn some of that excess milk into milk powder and donate it to Venezuela where there's not much food these days. Too bad that food shortages tend to occur in failed states, right? Life's complicated!

  • 10 days ago
John Murphy
  • John Murphy

@James Louder @ Wayne House. The US can't even give away milk for foreign aid. The US already turns milk into milk powder at an extreme where the aid agencies no longer want it. The US dumped 49 million gallons of milk in 2016. Just dumped it in tailings ponds to get rid of it. Taxpayers paid for it. There is no shortage of food in the world, only politics and a distribution problem.

  • 10 days ago
John West
  • John West

Why do we in Nova Scotia, pay almost double for milk and chicken? I do not care about how Americans do it, If a farmer can not make a living after cost and pocket 67000 then too bad for him, quit taking money from us to give to them. Is Trump right?

  • 10 days ago
Neil Gibbard
  • Neil Gibbard

@John West 
 If you're paying more then it's because the government isn't taxing you to subsidize the farmers at the same level they do in the USA. If you want lower prices be prepared to pay higher taxes.

  • 10 days ago
Wayne House
  • Wayne House

@John West : 

Cheap food causes obesity. Just look at the States. They are gorging themselves to death. Canada too, but to a lesser extent. Our food isn't too expensive given what we throw away on booze and smokes. Think about it. Beer costs more than milk. Cigarettes cost more than chicken. Be thankful that you can buy safe, abundant and delicious food products here in Canada. Most of humanity cannot.

  • 10 days ago
 Lyle H.Rossiter
  • Lyle H.Rossiter

What's the difference between a liberal and a park bench? 
A park bench can support a family without going on welfare

  • 10 days ago
Billy Bob
  • Billy Bob

@. Lyle Rossiter 
 Irrelevant. 
 A park bench cannot apply for welfare..

  • 10 days ago
JOHN MCTAGGART
  • JOHN MCTAGGART

@. Lyle Rossiter 

What's the difference between a liberal and Lyle Rossiter? 
Liberals think!

  • 10 days ago
Gary Nelson
  • Gary Nelson

"Dairy protected 'for good reason,' Trudeau says;" 

Of course! Protectionism is the key to "cash for access" governing. 

Trudeau gave no other "good" reason other than, "Let's not pretend that we're in a global free market "

  • 10 days ago
Barb Morrison
  • Barb Morrison

@Gary Nelson 

I think Quebec has a great deal to do with the dairy protectionism....the current regime leader will obliterate those who do not agree with his stand for his preferred state of Quebec and his preferred people.

  • 10 days ago
Wayne House
  • Wayne House

@Barb Morrison : 

NAFTA does present a real problem for Canada. We strive to protect some food sectors yet we strive to export lumber, cars and so on to the States. If Trump succeeds in blowing up NAFTA, I predict Cdn branch-plant auto assembly operations could go lock-and-barrel to the States. That's what Trump wants with his Buy American, Hire American demands. We'll see. Trade war looming? We'd lose.

  • 10 days ago
heather smith
  • heather smith

It does not help if Americans believe what Trump is saying. Even Chuck Schumer should know better. It's embarrassing! If the USA produces too much milk because of sheer capitalism, well too bad. 
While I don't like CETA, at least we can look forward to trade with the EU when Trump really puts his foot in his mouth.

  • 10 days ago
Aaron Watson
  • Aaron Watson

@heather smith Indeed, because most GMO and other tainted products are banned. Some would suggest their food supply is even healthier than Canada.

  • 10 days ago
Lynn Chu
  • Lynn Chu

Considering Ontario started with cheddar cheese marketing association in 1938, I think Trump is a little late with his complaints.... 

Basic Canadian dairy marketing rules were set up in the 1960's and 70's (incorporating some earlier agreements like the 1938 cheddar rules) and very little has changed since - ice cream got fancier, Greek yogurt has taken off, but the farmer is still obligated to sell via the marketing board, and they decide which companies need how much raw milk to make their... » more

  • 10 days ago
Chris OBrien
  • Chris OBrien

Funny, the Trumpaphobes are out in force, yet where were they when Obama said the same thing???Even the Huffington posts see the hypocrisy.http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/04/19/obama-trump-canada-dairy_n_16112740.html

  • 10 days ago
Penelope Moses
  • Penelope Moses

Global News aired this story on April 19. Maybe CBC should do research as David Akin did. FACTS from his report: Canada's dairy supply management is basically a 2.3% tax on the lowest income earners in Canada, amounting to $300 to $400 per year. But unlike a regular tax that goes to the government this money is a transfer of income from the poorest to relatively well-off dairy farmers who average $105,000 per year, AFTER costs. Compare that to the median Canadian household who has a median... » more

  • 10 days ago
Mike T. Ferguson.
  • Mike T. Ferguson.

@Penelope Moses The dairy farmers were the reason margarine had to take the yellow color out, also the reason for the school milk program you weren't allowed to opt out of fifty years ago.

  • 10 days ago
ArtMuler
  • ArtMuler

I have to say it again. I am not Trudeau's biggest fan but all the partisan comments slagging Trudeau for how he deals with the US are completely brain dead. By any objective measuring stick it seems very clear to me that no head of state in the world has done as well as Trudeau has in his approach to this unpredictable man child of a president. 

If some want to criticize Trudeau for spending or for pot legalization be my guest, but belittling him for how he interacts with the US only makes... » more

  • 10 days ago
ArtMuler
  • ArtMuler

@Chris OBrien 

Please cite an example of a "platitude" Trudeau has used in dealing with the US? I also highly recommend you look up what the word 'platitude' actually means in a dictionary first because I don't think you know.

  • 10 days ago
Wayne House
  • Wayne House

@Mike T. Ferguson. : 

Under Trump, the U.S. is morphing from "policeman of the world" to "bully of the world". So, it's just going to get worse, unless Congress can rein Trump in, big-time. 

Some of Trump's utterances are laughable, such as the U.S. "armada" steaming (!) towards the Korean peninsula when in fact it was heading west towards Indonesia/Australia for a long-planned naval exercise. Trump was not kept in-the-loop, obviously.. 

Hopefully his handlers will keep the nuclear codes well out of reach of old carrot-top, going forward. Though that won't solve the problem of NK and Kim. Many millions may die.« less


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